How do PayPal and Host1Plus STEAL your money ?!

I have been waiting 6 months to write this article. Read very carefully. This article will reveal the tricks which PayPal and scam artists put into action together. PayPal does this trick with everybody. It is a worldwide scam. I have fall into that scam with an hosting company. Here is the whole story.

On 14th of November 2011, I decided to move out from money hosting company because they wanted to charge me double. The money has been taken from my PayPal account automatically without asking me. I filed a complain to the company and they refunded my money. Keep this in mind.

On 15th of November 2011, I opened an hosting and moved all my domains and hosting to, a baltic company who pays tax in UK. I always check their quality before I move to a new hosting. They were looking OK. Some complains but nothing big. I paid 50 something $ for a yearly hosting with PAYPAL.

On 16th of November 2011, I have been noticed that my account is on a server called so I opened Google and searched the server. It was unbelievable, these guys put hundreds of websites onto 1 single machine and they have a up-time as LOW AS 95% a year. When I bought the account there was a page saying that they have 99.9% up-time guaranty and 30 days money back guaranty. So I want to their website and tried to find a contact information. I barely found a common email and submit a claim. The respond was “You are just a 1 day old customer, how can you say that?”. I said; ” I said it does not matter how long our business relation you have 30days money back and 99.9% up-time guaranty. Even we are not sure about the second case yet, you need to refund me when ever I want due to your first guaranty”. On the same day the server went down for 24 hours. They said they had a DoS attack !!!!

On 17th of November 2011, send me an email (below) saying that DoS attack happens to everyone and it is not everyday (???). They also said, they do not care if they have written 30days money back guaranty, they said it does not cover PayPal payments. So they wont refund. I said, no matter what, you need to refund, this is Europe and there are online sale regulations. The respond was as in below email.

Dear Ferhat,

I have noticed that you have placed a dispute in PayPal. Yes, that is correct we have faced the DDoS attack, but this does not means that we are receiving constantly. Many web hosting companies have the same problems and we are not exeption. I truly believe that we can solve any problems without communicating in PayPal. Finally, I am not sure why you think that we are bad service? Well, sure the first imporssion when you just bought the service is not the great one, but that does not means that we not provide reliable service. Hope you understand our postion and hope to solve our matter as soon as possible. Thank you.

Vincentas Grinius

Between 18th November and 16th December 2011, After that email, I instantly, moved all my domain names to my current company and moved the files. I just left the domain name which came free with the new hosting. I registered on 4 different independent UPTIME STATISTICS services and pointed them to that domain.

On 10 December 2012, I filed a claim to PayPal and said that I want a refund because there are cetain regulations in EU trade zone and every unwanted service or product can be returned and refunded in 12 days. My case number was Claim – #PP-001-558-379-692. I pointed PayPal to the EU website about the regulation. The Europe brunch of PayPal is a company in Luxembourg (see below business title), so they must obey the EU regulations.

PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. & Cie, S.C.A.
Société en Commandite par Actions
Registered Office: 5th Floor 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg
RCS Luxembourg B 118 349

On 12 December 2011, PayPal asked more information about my claim and the product I bought. I wrote the whole story and send it back.

On 21 December 2011, they sent me below email. This is where the SCAM gets into action. They accept as a company to use PayPal. Even they know that only product that sales is hosting. After that if a customer makes a claim they say, we cannot investigate the claim because the product is an online product. How convenient is that??!! So, PayPal wins because they got their money, the scam artist wins because they know the loop hole and they use it. Both companies act like they do not know what is going on but actually they robe you.

Dear Ferhat Bingol,

PayPal has concluded the investigation of the following case:

Transaction Details:
Seller’s Name: Digital Energy Technologies Ltd.
Seller’s Email:
Seller’s Transaction ID: 56J93035AY450113U

Transaction Date: Nov 16, 2011
Transaction Amount: -$57.24 USD
Your Transaction ID: 6A163760PH801580L
Case Number: PP-001-558-379-692

PayPal was not able to resolve this case because the item in question was
virtual. Please be aware that PayPal’s Buyer Complaint policy only applies
to tangible, physical goods that can be posted. Payments for intangible
items, services, licences or other digital content are not eligible for
dispute resolution. In addition, items prohibited in the PayPal Acceptable
Use policy are ineligible.

PayPal has not taken any action at this time. We do keep track of buyer
complaints, though, and have noted this complaint in the seller’s account.
Sellers who consistently are subject to buyer complaints are investigated.

To learn more about the types of payments eligible for dispute resolution
under the Buyer Complaint policy, please review the User Agreement.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us again.


Copyright © 1999-2011 PayPal. All rights reserved.
PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. et Cie, S.C.A.
Société en Commandite par Actions
Registered Office: 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg
RCS Luxembourg B 118 349

You see, they are ready to serve to a company who sells NONE PHYSICAL GOODS, but when it comes to investigate if this company robs their customers, than they are powerless. Today, 9th of May 2012, nearly after 6-7 months of recording the failed server I publish the uptime report. You can find a link to a detailed print out after the table.

May 2012	99.30%	707 ms
April 2012	98.37%	530 ms
March 2012	99.10%	561 ms
February 2012	99.64%	302 ms
January 2012	99.84%	292 ms
December 2011	99.97%	322 ms
November 2011	100%	322 ms

See detailed report of uptime at or at You can also follow the blog of Technical Service of and see with your own eyes how fragile their servers and how they do not know nothing about hosting.

Click on to enlarge

My Last words are,
1) I bought this product in EU, there are regulations in EU and break the law. All operation should be suspended.
2) PayPal EU is a European investment and break the EU rules on online sale and should be suspended.
3) did not keep their promise about uptime but removed the commercial about 99.9% up time from their website. How convenient???!!!
4) A full claim with all the communications will be filed in Customer Rights Office of Denmark on 1st of June, where the lawyer salaries will be paid by the opponent parties at the end of the court. (If you had the same experience and want to join the cases in the court, just drop a msg here. All cost will be paid by Danish State.)

PayPal and believe that they can sit behind a screen and steal people’s money. I will teach both of them a lesson that you will regret to make business in Denmark…

You can follow every step of the court from this page PLEASE BOOKMARK…

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  • And many more just Google it… Host1Plus + SCAM

    And here is an extra on about how they fool their affiliate program partners.


    1. hmdray

      I had an experience with this Hosting too.
      I wanted to buy a domain that according to their search engine (who is) was available so I deposited about 100$ for it but after one day they told me that domain was not available and it was a mistake in their “who is” of their domain search . they were right cause the domain was registered 1 years ago by someone else. but here is the point that they don’t give me my money and they told me that according to site rules and money laundry and blah blah they don’t give my money back because I had deposited using Webmoney. and I should use my credit to buy other services from their site.
      That my exp from Host1plus

      • Björn Kunter

        if your case with paypal is not yet closed. Please initiate a customer protection procedure with paypal saying that you have information that the seller is abusing paypal for fraud. (or change the category of your case, if you already initiated it.) You should refer to this webpage and identify the similar cases of Ferhat (Claim – #PP-001-558-379-692) and mine (#PP-002-592-017-811) If you want help with the formulations just contact me.

    2. Björn Kunter

      I had made the same experience with host1plus, but in my case paypal decided in my favour and returned my money via their customer protection procedure (case number: #PP-002-592-017-811). As I had been aware of the “virtual services” problem I had put much emphasis on the fact that host1plus is misusing paypal, so that it is in paypals own interest to react.

      As I still have another payment open (host1plus had charged me twice already in 2012, which I had realized to late to use paypal consumer protection) I will now continue to fight, in 2 ways. On the one hand I will file a European Order for Payment Procedure ( – no lawyer is needed, but I will use one, also to increase the fees at stake for host1plus)

      Secondly I will try to open up fraud procedures against host1plus with paypal, to ensure that either host1plus Refunding Policy will be changed, or that paypal quits the cooperation with host1plus.

      Feel free to contact me for more details.

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